EP62: Killer Truckers

Jon Summers is the Motoring Historian. He was a company car thrashing technology sales rep that turned into a fairly inept sports bike rider. On his show he gets together with various co-hosts to talk about new and old cars, driving, motorbikes, motor racing, motoring travel.

• If you want to be a serial killer, being a trucker is a good job due to the extremely impersonal nature of the job
• Frank Faluzzi and his book
• Robert Ben Rhoades who made the sleeper of his stack-headlight International conventional a torture chamber
• The transient, anonymous nature of trucking and truck stops
• Sex trafficking vs. prostitution
• Trucker energy drink consumption
• J does two and feels like a zombie; does this mean most truckers are Monster Energy Zombies?
• US truckers run faster than in Europe
• Freightliner and Volvo dominate the US highway hauler market in 2026
• Setra vs Mercedes coaches 
• They Drive By Night 
• Jim Donnelly, who wrote a column on classic trucking for Hemmings
• Convoy
• Maximun Overdrive, with AC/DC soundtrack
• What about Kenworth, Peterbilt and Mack?
• Freighliner and Volvo have captured the economies of scale for giant fleets like Walmart
• The end of the age of the human piloted over the road truck
• A silly metaphor about ants, exploring and the human condition
• J & G Truck Sales, Texas
• You do need to be able to read english to be able to be a trucker
• The importance of aerodynamics in highway hauler 18 wheelers
• The owner operator seems like indentured servitude while you pay off the truck
• The absurdity of city freeways – low speed limits which everyone ignores !?!

[00:00:00] John Summers is the motoring historian. He was a company car thrashing technology sales rep that turned into a fairly inept sports bike rider. Hailing from California, he collects cars and bikes built with plenty of cheap and fast, and not much reliable. On his show, he gets together with various co-hosts to talk about new and old cars, driving, motorbikes, motor racing, and motoring travel.

Good day, good morning, good afternoon. It’s John Summers, the Motor Historian, coming at you from somewhere on Highway 40 in New Mexico today My topic for discussion today, or monologue for today, is long haul trucking. Also this notion, are long haul truckers serial [00:01:00] killers? ‘Cause this former FBI bloke has published a book saying that many are, and then sort of hangs some statistics on it.

There are, like, 25 or 30 or that kind of horrific number of people in jail at the moment who are truckers who have killed more than one person, some dozens. But obviously there are many truckers who aren’t. So after some hours of listening, I have parsed out that if you are the kind of person with a predilection to wanting to kill a lot of people, being a truck driver is pretty, uh, a pretty good lifestyle to have because of the absolute transiency of all of the connections that you make when you’re on the road.

And, and this is the serious point lying below a rather, I think, shameless attempt to sell a book by saying [00:02:00] there’s 450 serial killers roaming the highways of America in big rigs. See, he has worked with academics. I listened to a podcast that he did as well, so I’ve sort of, you know, I’ve got at least two sources that are backing me up with this.

Frank Vallucci or something like that his name is. But you know, it’s quite amusing in the podcast that he and the woman doing it there at pains to point out that most truckers are not like this, then they go on to talk about, you know, the worst examples. So as a historian and a storyteller, one of the things that I’m interested in with this whole thing is behind the statistics, you know, where’s the truth, I guess is, is, is what I’m saying.

Because one of the things that I’ve noticed is every time they talk about it, they talk about this one particular guy who turned his sleeper cab into a torture chamber and really bad stuff. That’s not why you’re listening to the podcast. [00:03:00] You’re listening to the podcast ’cause we’re talking about this kind of culture of over-the-road trucking and this kind of culture in America particularly.

And I guess this is why I’m talking about it now while I was listening to it is, I mean, if you think about as an English person, if you think about motorway service areas in England, or if you think about motorway service areas if you’re European in France or Germany or Italy, you know, these transient places, but they don’t have the quality of the place I stayed last night.

I stayed in Santa Rosa, New Mexico last night, and the next big town is an hour down the road. That’s the distances that, that we’re talking about. especially in the West, the distances that, that– but what this leads to is these communities are Almost like an airport, right? Where a population is constantly moving through, but it’s not a ticketed or [00:04:00] a monitored population.

And I guess when a lot of these kind of serial killer truckers were on the rampage, it was, you know, in an era before there was lots of CCTV everywhere and, and there also was not so much scrutiny of what truckers were doing. So in other words, you know, if you pick up a prostitute at a truck stop, and you have your wicked way, and then you keep her chained up in the cab for a little bit whilst you’re having your wicked way, and then some stage later you chuck her out.

I, I know there’s, there’s like I’m trying to be flippant because it’s such a horrific thing. But nowadays you’re more likely to get hit by the CCTV or by, you know, the truck’s own monitoring. So if you’re an individual owner operator, you’re still sort of off the clock a good deal of the time. And this guy’s book, and this is what prompted me to do this, was that [00:05:00] I needed to listen to two to three hours before I realized that this guy sort of elided a number of things that were, were going on.

He, he brought them together into something which hadn’t quite gelled. So the first thread, and the thread that I arrived at it with, is this transient trucker culture and the culture of prostitution, which we now call sex trafficking, which before I listened to this, I wasn’t happy with it. I, I didn’t understand why we needed to move from bum to homeless person to unhoused person.

But now I’m seeing why the vocabulary needs to evolve because the evilness here is the pimp who controls these young women or young women, trans people as well, and provides a service. And there was, you know, there was one trucker who– There’s one trucker in jail at the moment for killing girls who admits to basically [00:06:00] being a truck stop pimp.

He was a trucker, but he pimped people from, uh… Gosh, I really did delve into the underbelly of our society with, with that intertwise. But this really, this all ties up with something that you probably had heard about, which is sex trafficking rings being around like the Super Bowl, there being like a boom in activity.

And this is– this has nothing to do with the truck. This is everything to do with seedy by the hour motels and people advertising on websites using euphemistic language, which if you’re in the right dark corners of the internet and of urban life, you understand what this thing means and are able to procure these, uh, these services.

Arguably the oldest service in the world, but, you know, nonetheless, uh, a solid one.

So these two worlds [00:07:00] coincide, and where they coincide leaves opportunity for people with bad intentions to do what they wanna do and get away with. So the question, are truckers serial killers? The answer is, you know, it suits the lifestyle. You know, it’s like, uh, uh, it’s a good job to have if, you know, y- you need to be.

Yes. I had arrived at this strand by feeling just how grotesquely, alienatingly inhuman the rest stops are, the gas stations are. I was thinking about it particularly because in one, I don’t know if it, the owner operators do it or if the managers are instructed to or if they wanna lead their employees at the front, but they always make a point of saying, “Welcome to Love’s.”

That’s the name of the chain of gas stations, and they tend to cater to truckers. They’ll always have, like, [00:08:00] diesel and they’ll have, like, showers there. Although it’s not dissimilar to a normal rest stop, it’s very much aimed at truckers. I mean, most of the traffic is truckers, especially at night. So that’s another element of the culture that I wanna talk about is…

I meant to ask the AI before starting to record this, but I think you can drive for 11 hours before you have to have a break. So it might be that if you drive for 11 hours and then you take a two or three-hour break, you can drive again another 11 hours. So if that’s the case, that would explain why, you know, if you’re stood in these places like Love’s, you see guys picking up three 5-Hour Energys or Monster Energy, which by the way, the range of Monster energy is just unbelievable.

I, I would say I had one and then like a coffee drink, a Monster coffee drink later in the [00:09:00] day, and it was a bad mistake because the time of the day in the afternoon when I normally get tired, I was mentally still tired, like I wasn’t able to think that I needed to rest, but I was still awake and able to pilot the vehicle down the highway.

So to judge by the amount of this stuff on sale and the fact that, you know, you can get those three cans for six bucks or one for four. So what am I trying to say here? I’m saying that the roads seem to be full of truck drivers who, in order to earn the money they want to, are consuming massive amounts of these energy drinks and are probably in something of a kind of a zombie state I mean, if you think about it, all the days are the same.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s day or night. The gas stations look the same wherever you are in the country. The [00:10:00] food is universally terrible. Because you’re away from home, the lifestyle, it, it makes family life almost impossible. So the distances and the time away, I don’t have experience at doing it, but I’ve gotta believe that this makes it very different from what trucking is like in England or, or in Europe.

Another big difference is the speed that the trucks move at. On an uphill, in places like Oklahoma where the speed limit’s 80 miles an hour, 75 in some places, on an uphill they might run down to about, you know, 65 if they’re fully loaded. But on the downhill, if you have the cruise set at 75, they are passing you at least 10 miles an hour faster than you’re going.

And at night when there’s a lot of them and they’re all moving around, oh, it’s a bit scary.[00:11:00]

So I’m at the Studebaker Museum and I’m talking to a, an employee of the Studebaker Museum. She’s telling me about her partner. The phrase that she said that’s stuck in my mind, ’cause we were talking about big trucks. This is how the conversation started. I think we were talking about my class, and we were talking about the icebreaker exercise that we do where we say, “What’s your favorite car of the moment?”

Now, we say of the moment because if you’ve just been to the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Museum, likely as it is that it might be something from that if you’re a car guy. Whereas if you’re not a car guy, the whole notion of having a favorite car is gonna seem similar to the notion of having a favorite window or, you know, a favorite McDonald’s.

It never occurred to you before, so when you’re asked the question, “Favorite car, favorite car at the moment?” You’re strapped, and [00:12:00] quite often will answer with your Camry or, you know, the Prius you had when your mum was growing up or that kind of thing. And I don’t want to suggest that that’s a trite recollection at all.

Not everybody has to be into cars. It does show point of our class, and it shows how much cars enter everybody’s consciousness, whether they’re enthusiastic about the machine themselves, fetishize the device in the way that I do, or, or not Now, I do admit I fully fetishize 18-wheeler trucks, and when the question was turned on me, “Well, what’s your favorite car at the moment?”

I said, “Uh, I don’t really know.” And then I said, “Do you know what? I’ve just driven thousands of miles across the country looking at all these 18-wheelers, realizing that Freightliner, and Volvo to a degree, but Freightliner and Volvo, they own the US heavy hauler market.” And I love Freightliner, and [00:13:00] I kind of love Freightliner, you know, well, I’ve always loved the styling of them.

But Freightliner are part of the Daimler Chrysler empire, so it means basically it’s Mercedes engineering. As I was thinking about doing this pod and thinking about why do I love Freightliner, I was thinking about one of the bus drivers that I had when I did tours for NETC, that travel company, and he was, I mean, whether we had the tour in Italy or in France or in Spain, the drivers always worked for the same firm from Naples.

I mean, one day, right, we’re driving, and the guy’s on the phone to his wife, and I can’t understand a word of his Italian. At that time, my Italian was okay. You know, conversational, okay. He came off the phone, and I said to him, “I couldn’t understand a word you were saying.” He went, “I know.” Well, one day, I got talking to him about buses, right?

And it, we were in a particularly difficult part of [00:14:00] Spain. We weren’t on the plain. We were on the hilly bit, and the bus was, I wouldn’t have said struggling, but I, he huffed and puffed a little. So I asked him about the buses and learned that while the Setra that we had at the moment was considered okay, really the thing that you wanted was the Mercedes.

So at that time, I connected Mercedes and Daimler as being really strong in commercial. And of course, you know, the three-pointed star is by land, sea, and, and air. So, uh, I said to, uh, to Maria the, the museum there, “A Freightliner 18-wheeler probably.” She said, “Oh, my partner’s got a Kenworth. I grew up around these things.”

And I’m like, “That is so cool.”

So I think in another pod I mentioned this obsession that I had with Freightliners, and I even [00:15:00] included a picture of the kind of Freightliner that I, uh, that I particularly like. Art Gammy, who often partners me on these feed calls, when I mentioned the Freightliner that had done, like, 1.8 million miles that I was looking at, he went, “Yeah, 1.8 million miles, so God knows how many drivers just jerked off Lord knows how many times in the back of that truck.”

Gross, yeah, but probably true. So this is what I’m passing out through this pod, aren’t I? It’s that the machines themselves are so cool, but the way that highway hauling has, it just becomes so impersonal. I mean, in, in another one of these pods recently I mentioned the Humphrey Bogart movie They Drive by Night, I think the Route 66 one, and [00:16:00] it’s an old movie.

It’s before the Eisenhower Highway infrastructure, and it might just be a plot device, but he knows the people in the cafe. You know, all the scenes take… Some scenes take place in the cab of the truck, but a lot of the scenes take place at the cafe or at the depot I just feel like years ago it didn’t used to be so impersonal.

Now, this is the point when, you know, there’s always somebody who knows more than you. In this case, the person who definitely knows more than me is Tim Donnelly, who used to write for Hemmings Classic Car, and he had a column all about classic trucking. And I learned an awful lot about classic trucking from that.

But one of the reasons why the story stuck in my mind was that it was so hardcore. It was so tough. [00:17:00] Even comparatively recently, you know, when, if you watch the Kris Kristofferson movie Convoy, or even Maximum Overdrive, the one where the trucks take over the town and the soundtrack’s by AC/DC, those trucks were still stick shift at that time with

a clutch. A lot of the stuff not power-assisted. So you needed to be a pretty diesel kind of a person to wheel that thing down the road, especially in, you know, it’s… I’ve got the air on, I’m comfy, but it is 91 degrees outside. And I don’t think the rubber duck Mack had air con, did it? I seem to remember him driving with the window down all the time.

So I did do a little bit of surfing last night on what happened to Kenworth, Mack, and Peterbilt, the three sort of traditional American marks. Kenworth and Peterbilt are, of course, one, so have owned [00:18:00] by Paccar, is the name of the corporation that owns both of them. I didn’t read too much about them because you still see them, but they specialize in the parts of the market that Freightliner and Volvo don’t do.

So what have Freightliner and Volvo done so well? They have

really captured the holistic ownership experience for a giant fleet like Walmart or CRST

or one of these kind of guys who are buying thousands of trucks. That’s how they’ve really catered to that very smoothly. There’s an awesome spares network. At the local truck stop, there’s gonna be the part that you need if you break down. So that’s why they’ve achieved the market penetration they have.

That was the question that I asked. So the follow-up is, well, Kenworth and Peterbilt, if you’re an owner-operator, the sort of what the [00:19:00] AI called the, quote, “luxury truck market,” that’s why you still see Kenworths and Peterbilts out there. You know, and there’s other players like Sterling and so on as well that I’ve not mentioned up to now.

Not to forget Mack. Mack do dump trucks and garbage trucks and fit specialized niches. You will see Macks as, you know, oversized haulers. You will see them working where it’s all a dirt road, and the thing’s gonna get smashed to pieces. So they fit those kind of niches, whereas the Freightliners and Volvos are optimized for this kind of highway hauling.

Now, having learned that, I was quite pleased that I have always stuck with Freightliners as the market, as if I instinctively knew that Freightliners were the kings of highway [00:20:00] hauling.

Now, why do I want to talk about it and sort of historicize it? Well, because I think it’s gonna go away. You know, I think we can see how it’s gonna go away, ’cause as soon as the autonomous whatever is able to prove that it’s gonna crash less than the trucker and is cheaper than the trucker, the trucker’s gonna be replaced, isn’t he?

Maybe he’s just gonna be on autopilot, but I can’t see that lasting very long with him in the truck. I think trucks are gonna be designed without people in, and I think, uh, they’re gonna be controlled remotely. So I do think the age of piloted, albeit now supervised, but the age of the piloted over-the-road truck is coming to a close.

Is that why now, even in my 50s, I still feel like I’d quite like to have a [00:21:00] career as a trucker? Even though I’ve talked about the alienation, even though I’ve talked about how if you wanna be a serial killer, this is a great profession to have, is it because… Here’s what it is. You know sometimes you’ll see stray ants?

I used to be like, “Where’s that ant come from?” when I was 10, 11, 12, that kind of age. Where did the ant come from? And you’d be like, “Well, you know, some nest. He’s got lost from some nest.” I would just be like, “Well, what if he’s not got lost? What if he’s just, like, exploring?” And of course, kind of he is, right?

He, he’s looking for a source of food, and then he has to, you know, he has to find Livingstone, then he has to find his way back, and then the ant, the whole colony can exploit the food source, right? I mean, my wife says they’re gross, and she’s right, they are, but I still think there’s something kind of awesome about the way that they do that, right?

But we’ve been talking about the individual ant, right? We’ve not been talking about all those ones swarming in the nest, all of them [00:22:00] serving the queen. But what if the queen was money and the nest was a city? I can’t get that thought out of my mind. I, I’m not that kind of person. I’m Livingstone ant, out on his own exploring.

I’m not the ant swarming in the anthill.

Of course, there are truck sales places and truck graveyards all along the side of Highway 40. And whilst I’ve resisted the temptation to stop and look at rusty, derelict cars at the side of the road, because I’ve got enough of those myself, I’m able to be like, “You can’t buy, so why would you look and decide that you wanted to buy?

Why would you do that?” So I’m able to avoid it with the cars, but with the trucks, I’m just too fascinated by it. I, I stopped at one place called J&G Trucking yesterday. They have new stuff. They have used stuff. [00:23:00] They have wrecked stuff that they’re taking parts off. According to the AI, five grand is a, a bottom price.

If the truck is, is five grand, that’s scrap market money. It will likely need an engine or a transmission or both. If they sit, they likely need air lines. Unless you’re a diesel mechanic, there’s no economic way of bringing them back. All of which just feels like a challenge to me. I’d also need to get a CDL license as well.

Just the tractor unit is almost heavier than the 26,000 pounds. So I think I could drive just the tractor unit on its own, but I couldn’t use it to tow anything without getting a CDL. That’s a thought, isn’t it? That it means that I could get one, get it running, drive it around, get used to it a little bit before doing a CDL course and then towing stuff.

Further research on this [00:24:00] revealed that, in fact, despite the weight being less, you still need a CDL to operate the kind of Freightliner that I would want in California. There was a way that you could do it through a classic policy that I investigated some years ago, but that loophole, A, seemed dodgy to explain to a cop at the side of the road, and B, it may even be that it’s closed up now.

So I guess if you’re thinking of doing what I’m doing, absurd as it may seem, you are likely to need to get a CDL to operate anything resembling the kind of truck that you might want To be clear here, I don’t wanna be an over-the-road trucker living on somebody else’s timetable, but I am interested in weather in this Dodge and Livingstone act.

[00:25:00] I am interested in the fact that these people are between the cities, and what they see is the real America. I’m looking at it now, winding through this beautiful valley. You know, that’s what they see, and, and I think they’re right to feel that the real America is this out here, not what people see in the anthill every day.

The concerns of the anthill are not the concerns of Highway 40 at whatever time of day or night, day of the week or year. The other thing that just to sort of… I guess I’m jumping around, but I always do. On the theme of alienation, you’re sitting down all the time not really doing anything. It’s not like you can…

If you’re in a car on your own, you can drive to a national park to have a hike, but you can’t do that if you’re towing, if you’re hauling. If you look, most [00:26:00] cities particularly are incredibly hostile to big vehicles. So you are stuck on the outskirts of big cities, you can’t, you can’t go into them. So that sort of cements this sort of outsider, literally, kind of status, doesn’t it?

Now, something I didn’t touch on, but should, is why there’s such high turnover in the profession. According to the back of one of the trucks, and you’d know if you’ve driven in the States, there’s so much advertising drivel that’s on the back of trucks. You know, there’s one of the ads I saw yesterday reckoned you could make 190 grand a year as an over-the-road trucker, which seems pretty good, and that certainly seems to sit at odds with everything I’ve heard about it being, you know, very frustrating.

Well, what I just talked about, there being no parking for you, there’s, like, no provision given to truckers, and not in the [00:27:00] warehousing processing either. So this may be wrong, but my understanding is, is, you know, if you’re not able to get to the warehouse by when it closes at 5:30 on a Friday night, you might be hanging around in that city until the warehouse opens on Monday morning, and you can drop the load off.

You know, so there’s a lot of stuff that wouldn’t correlate with the six-figure salaries for me. I was thinking, you know, could I… Would I drive for those guys reliable to move the cars from Pebble Beach all the time? Those guys, that’s the job done very thoroughly, isn’t it? And something that I was thinking about as well is that hazmat drivers are much more highly trained than Well, these folk that have been in the newspapers recently who have, uh, obtained CDL and, and driver’s licenses somehow without being able to speak English properly.

Don’t [00:28:00] wanna make this political, but there are a lot of signs that actually require you to be able to read English. I’m passing one now, engine brake use prohibited. So there’s a perfect example of something where if a trucker is not able to read English, he’s not able to follow the rules of the road properly.

So it seems to me an impossible argument to argue that it’s okay for truckers not to be able to speak English properly, yet there are a lot of them on the road, it would seem, according to, you know, right-wing media outlets who obviously have nothing to gain by hammering a story, uh, such as that. So they said that one of the other things that Freightliner have got worked out, this AI said this, was the Aero, really effectively Volvo too.

And while Peterbilt and Kenworth have [00:29:00] Aero models, and I’m sure, you know, as you drive on the highway you’ll see Aero models with the swoopy noses versus, you know, the old-fashioned high square noses. Well, this, this really has an impact on gas mileage, and obviously if you’re like Costco or Swift Transportation or Walmart, the difference between five and a half MPG and six MPG for you is quite a lot of money.

So this is why you see a lot of Freightliners and, and Volvos. The owner/operator thing, you know, where you own the truck, that seems romantic, but I was looking at this truck paper. Holly was like, “Why has it got loads of pictures of the same Freightliners? Like, I don’t understand.” It’s like an old-fashioned auto trade, you know, but that’s what, that’s what it is.

And a lot of them, they’ll do you like 0% down, so if you like drive for a particular fleet. I mean, that’s indentured [00:30:00] servitude, isn’t it? You own the truck, you’re responsible for the truck, and it is depreciating as you use it, y- so you have to work to pay it off, right? It’s, it’s already depreciated from the moment you take it out, so you have to work for them to pay the truck off.

What rip-off that is. All right, this one, Cargo Solutions Express, hiring drivers 50 cents per mile, excellent benefits, 909 somewhere. 50 cents per mile. So let’s say you drive 600 miles a day, it’d be less, doing the thing that they do where you drive through the night. 600 miles a day, $300 a day, do four times.

So if you work a five-day week, $1,500 a week. I mean, I guess it depends what your lifestyle is away from the trucking, [00:31:00] because this is what the FBI, this Frank Pellucci fella was saying, is that, you know, a lot of truckers, uh, they maybe don’t have very much away from, you know, the truck and the job. In other words, they might not have a house or a home, they might just be living in scuzzy by-the-hour motels themselves.

I was thinking that because in these Love’s truck stops, they sell T-shirts, like every truck stop. They, they… It’s not like one or two. It’s not like they’re like a clothing stop, it’s just like, you know, alongside the oil and the jerky you are likely to need a T-shirt Special deals on the America’s 250th.

I know it’s in the place I was in yesterday and I was tempted to, to indulge. So the assumption is, again, you’re, you’re on the road, you are never… And literally if you’re, if you own the truck and you’re paying for it, any time you’re not driving [00:32:00] it and earning money, it’s costing you money, isn’t it? So what a bind, like, yeah, no wonder people get mad.

I mean, just to illustrate how if, when you spend a lot of time out on the road, how absurd cities are. When you drive through them, as you come into them, the speed limit’s always come down. But what happens is if you drive at the speed limit, you’re the slowest person on the road. You’re just swamped by the traffic.

Immediately you’ve come from a place where everyone drives at the same speed limit, and it’s a high speed limit, and we all get down the road in a sensible way, to people zipping around doing 100 miles an hour, others doing 70, others doing 65, and the speed limit being 55. And that was my experience in St.

Louis, for example. Thank you, Drive Thru.[00:33:00]

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Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

• 00:00 Trucker Serial Killer Claim
• 03:00 Transience and Truck Stops
• 05:13 Sex Trafficking Connection
• 07:24 Love’s and Driver Fatigue
• 11:01 Freightliner Obsession
• 17:47 Why Fleets Choose Volvo?
• 20:04 Autonomous Truck Future
• 22:21 Buying a Used Rig
• 26:19 Pay Rates and Turnover
• 29:34 The Owner/Operator Trap
• 32:11 City Driving, Wrap Up and Network Credits